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HOW I UNDERSTAND SUPER SAIYAN GRADES, MULTIPLIERS, WHY GRADE 2/3 AREN'T STRONGER THAN GRADE 4
The way I see it is Goku etc, always reaches their physiological max all the time.
According to a theory Goku etc's physical peek was that of Mr Satan, Ki is used as the main method of reinforcement when containing such a tremendous Ki PowerLevels.
I disagree.
That makes zero sense as then there wouldn't be any strain placed on the body at all as Ki would take the full burden.
And that doesn't happen in the DragonBall Universe cause it does not work that way.
That's like suggesting an increased usage of electricity.
The same electricity flowing through the wire would also be used to insolate the wire itself.
And that & only that prevents or reduces the passage, transfer, or leakage of heat, electricity, or sound from that wire.
That's using twice the electricity just to power 1 light.
Nope.
Goku continues reaching his physiological max repeatedly, but overcomes it.
Transformations & Fusions are two of physical ways.
adapting is another.
Even excluding Transformations & Fusions His Ki continues to grow well beyond his physical level, but his physical level can adapt, adjust, strengthened to hold & properly manage, manipulate, & maintain increased levels of Ki.
Take for example Kaioken.
Kaioken x3 & x4 put so much pressure on Goku's body that it took him a few seconds to power up Kaioken, he even vented steam.
Kaioken at that time placed so much strain on his body that being slapped on the shoulder caused him great pain & agony.
Kaioken is a perfect example of what happens when you add more Ki into a body that cannot handle or i8n short isn't trained for it.
After then his PowerLevel increased & YES his Ki level increases.
HOWEVER so does the physical requirement to hold that power.
With healing & training Goku could physically handle such levels of Ki & even apply higher Kaioken multipliers then walk away like it was nothing.
However There's still a gap between physical strength & Ki level.
As Akira Toriyama said physical ability has limits.
When the physical form cannot handle large amounts of Ki it drains your stamina that much more & puts more strain & stress on the body.
150 million
This is the reason why I never see multipliers as changing, & why I've always seen them as set.
Raising the Transformation multiplier & or the Based PowerLevel I see as completely pointless when a fixed multiplier & an higher arbitrary Base PowerLevels would accomplish the same task.
An Arbitrary Base PowerLevel could do as long as it doesn't come close to hitting 100Million.
That way it doesn't contradict the statement by Beerus.saying Frieza > Base Saiyans.
According to a theory Goku etc's physical peek was that of Mr Satan, Ki is used as the main method of reinforcement when containing such a tremendous Ki PowerLevels.
I disagree.
That makes zero sense as then there wouldn't be any strain placed on the body at all as Ki would take the full burden.
And that doesn't happen in the DragonBall Universe cause it does not work that way.
That's like suggesting an increased usage of electricity.
The same electricity flowing through the wire would also be used to insolate the wire itself.
And that & only that prevents or reduces the passage, transfer, or leakage of heat, electricity, or sound from that wire.
That's using twice the electricity just to power 1 light.
Nope.
Goku continues reaching his physiological max repeatedly, but overcomes it.
Transformations & Fusions are two of physical ways.
adapting is another.
Even excluding Transformations & Fusions His Ki continues to grow well beyond his physical level, but his physical level can adapt, adjust, strengthened to hold & properly manage, manipulate, & maintain increased levels of Ki.
Take for example Kaioken.
Kaioken x3 & x4 put so much pressure on Goku's body that it took him a few seconds to power up Kaioken, he even vented steam.
Kaioken at that time placed so much strain on his body that being slapped on the shoulder caused him great pain & agony.
Kaioken is a perfect example of what happens when you add more Ki into a body that cannot handle or i8n short isn't trained for it.
After then his PowerLevel increased & YES his Ki level increases.
HOWEVER so does the physical requirement to hold that power.
With healing & training Goku could physically handle such levels of Ki & even apply higher Kaioken multipliers then walk away like it was nothing.
However There's still a gap between physical strength & Ki level.
As Akira Toriyama said physical ability has limits.
When the physical form cannot handle large amounts of Ki it drains your stamina that much more & puts more strain & stress on the body.
quote VampireWickedIn Base Saiyan PowerLevels did increase but not beyond the PowerLevel needed as a SuperSaiyan to defeat Frieza on Namek.The increased heart rate, the strain & stress, the huge muscle gain, the exhaustion, that's happening from Ki exertion!
To handle that they would have to be physically fit.quote VampireWickedTo quote a member on a different forum.But muscular builds or big muscles don't equal strong characters.
One could keep assuming that large muscles equal more strength.
They don't.
It doesn't work that way in the DragonBal Universe.
Something the DraagonBall logic shows us as Toriyama has a habit with making small characters incredibly powerful.quoteYeah, base Kaioken increases the users power/ability by 50%. Or, simply put, raises you from 100% to 150%. So it's A + (Ax50%). So, Goku's 8000 x 50% = 4000. Kaioken (base) is 8000 + 4000 = 12000.
As for usability, Kaioken does amp your ability, but it was always meant to be temporary. Your body doesn't change. The thing with SSJ transformations is that they are Transformations. The body changes to regulate the users energy properly and utilize it fully. When we saw Goku use Kaiokenx3, his body bulked up to try and contain the energy and he mentioned that he couldn't quite handle it, that forcing out that much power from his body was causing it to damage himself. Basically he was injuring himself.
Later he does master the technique where he can constantly use a KKx5 without much of a drain, but only in short bursts while fighting Freeza. The highest multiplier was x20 and it appeared it was used explicitly to boost his energy projection as he tried to kill Freeza with his amped up Kamehameha. Yet, as we saw, he could only sustain that much output for a matter of seconds and it took a massive toll on his energy reserves.
Goku had pretty much mastered the technique. And that is what it is; a technique. A skill to be used periodically like any other. What it basically did was draw from your inner pool of ki and forcefully amplify the amount you naturally generate. While it enables you to magnify all your stats, it also drains your stamina that much more quickly. It's basically a gamble to see if you can win before your power is depleted or if your body gives out from trying to regulate more energy that it's meant to handle. It's like someone trying to lift weights they're not ready for. Like using an adrenaline rush to push you into doing something out of your weight class, which strains your body immensely and can lead to hernias, ripped tendons and even ruptured blood vessels just making the attempt. That's kind of the effect Kaioken has.
The more Ki they exert the more the heart rate increases, more strain & stress experienced, the larger the muscles get, faster they exhaust.
Which takes me to SuperSaiyan Grades.
The Grades I don't see as Transformations.
It makes no sense, why would Grade2 & Grade3 have their own multipliers to begin with when they're the same form just buffed up within the initial SuperSaiyan Transformation itself.quote "Daizenshuu Ex Guide"If Grade3 was more powerful or had a higher boost than Goku would've revealed his Grade3 to Korin instead of SuperSaiyanFullPower.•Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ichi-dankai (the normal Super Saiyan, or SSJ1)
• Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai (USSJ 1; the second stage of SSJ1)
• Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai san-dankai (USSJ 2; the third stage of SSJ1)
Goku is the first to go through the transformation into a Super Saiyan. It is widely speculated that the Sentô Ryoku ("combat strength," or if you must, "power level") of the character must be around 180,000, which Goku reaches on Namek; this cannot be confirmed or denied, however (it's merely speculation). The transformation into a Super Saiyan is generally caused by an overwhelming sense of rage and hatred.
In Goku's case, when Freeza shoots Piccolo through the chest (nearly killing him), murders Kuririn by causing him to explode from the inside, and declares he will be going after Gohan next... well... yeah, that just about does it.
The stage is characterized by giant spikey golden hair. The pupils also turn a bluish green color. The power of the character is exponentially increased. Control over this power, however, is not always the easiest thing at first. The Super Saiyan stage has an interesting effect on the Son family, in addition to its normal effects: the way their eyes are drawn changes slightly. Normally, the outline around the eye is not fully drawn (it circles around about 3/4 of the way the eyeball). When in Super Saiyan, their eyes are fully surrounded by an outline (the same way that all villains are drawn; this is due to Toriyama wanting to show the anger and hatred that must be present for a Super Saiyan transformation).
There are actually two stages within the "USSJ" stage, really just varying levels of the same exact thing. In the first stage, the muscles increase in size, while power rises. In the second stage, the muscles increase in size even more, the power rises even more, speed falls, and with some characters, the pupils disappear. In each of the those stages, more energy is consumed, as well.
In the second stage, the muscles increase in size even more, the power rises even more, speed falls.
The body mass increases greatly (creating an almost awkward looking character; so short, yet so buff!).
While obvious that Trunks is able to reach USSJ1, he takes it one step further to USSJ2 (note: this is not SSJ2, which is explained below. Trunks never reaches SSJ2). His body mass increases along with his raw power, but his speed unfortunately decreases, as well. The energy consumption is also increased.
Trunks also introduces the idea of losing the pupils during the transformation, which would surface once again with Broli in DBZ movie eight with the "Legendary" stage (see below). Trunks' raw power is actually greater than Vegeta's, in this form. Trunks holds off showcasing his new power until Vegeta is knocked unconscious, fearful of not only surpassing his father, but seeing the reaction from his father. Due to his lack of speed, while Trunks may have had the power to do battle with Perfect Cell, he simply was not able to keep up, and thus conceded.
But there's nothing officially stating Grade3 does have a higher power than SuperSaiyanFulPower.
Goku's goal was to unleash the absolute full potential of SuperSaiyan with no drawbacks, if Grade3 did that than it would've been the form to be refined, instead it wasn't & seen as worthless.
DragonBall SUPER even shows the unleased power of Grade 4 (SuperSaiyanFullPower) vs Grade 1.
That says Saiyans in Z hit their limit in Base form as Both Cabba & Vegeta are equal in Base, but as SuperSaiyans Vegeta counters his attacks like nothing.
So all they were doing in Grades were powering up SuperSaiyan like official statements say while Grade4 brought out the full potential.
Grades 2 & 3 They're just Power Ups.
Power Ups of the initial SuperSaiyan form to a point beyond its limits to properly control that much Ki.
Note the massive increase in muscle size for G2 & G3.
Reminds me of Master Roshi's Buff state.
A state which is a drawback of more Ki that exceeded his limits in regular form.
The Buff exaggerated muscular form is famous for this.
To use GreatSaiyaman's posted evidence.quoteThe same thing happens with Grade 2 & 3, the body bulges as a consequence of poor Ki Control of that power.The Daizenshuu entry for Bojack says "By heightening his ki, he enlarges his muscles to power up." So that indicates the muscles enlarge because the ki is heightened and the power up comes from the enlarged muscles, not merely the heightened ki by itself. These bulked up muscle forms should all behave similarly regardless of species in my opinion. They should all have the same essential functions unless stated otherwise, so if anyone wants to say Bojack or Freeza's muscle forms behave differently than a Saiyan's I say prove it. And I don't think they can.
Muscles are commonly associated with strain in Dragon Ball. Freeza's body only bulked up because his Ki size was disproportionally bigger than his Ki control, and Daizenshuu 2 does states Roshi's body bulged as a consequence of his mighty power.
Through training that tremendous power can be managed in a normal frame.
Hence Grade4.
That's the entire point of G4.
To have that power beyond the initial SuperSaiyan limit in a form that handles it with perfet Ki Control is the goal Goku was shooting for.
Buffing up muscle mass means nothing.
Statements from PerfectCell shows this, Trunks realizes this.
In fact G2 & G3 were pointless as they both had ridiculous drawbacks, so much so that Vegeta who seeks power didn't want to use G3 & Goku never bothered using either.
Well that's how is see & understand Super Saiyan Grades, Transformation Multipliers, & PowerLevels.
You're welcome to share how you see & understand them.
Thank You Dagon for the link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111103165624/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link
Stop thinking of it as separate multipliers for the same Transformation.
Imagine pouring 16oz of liquid (Ki) into a container till it's filled.
Now imagine adding another 20oz of liquid (Ki) into the same container but the container starts to bulge & expand.
The initial container can't hold anymore liquid (Ki) passed its limit without expanding so the container gets reinforced.
The distinction between Grade1 & Grade4 is showing us how Grades 2 & Grade 3 are filling the user's body passed their limit causing the muscles to expand.
Goku takes that initial form & trains it to hold all that Ki in the original body, the initial SuperSaiyan form.
So Goku has access to all that Ki that caused Grade 2 & 3 to bulge out, is absolutely perfectly held in a refined SuperSaiyan form.
Grade 4 SuperSaiyan.quote VampireWickedThe aspects of Ki.What I get from the series is the requirement would be physically strong enough to where Ki usage isn't a burden by causing great strain, stamina reduction, or other drawbacks on the user.
Their physiology is bearing the brunt of the Ki used to mitigate the force of an attack.
Mind, spirit, and vigorquote VampireWickedThe physical body, the user's mind, & their soul each play pivotal parts when using Ki?
So the better condition each of those aspects are in, then that would mean the efficient their Ki usage is.
Makes sense ?
To train physical the body, to train mentally, spiritually not only to keep in shape but to get stronger would also strengthen Ki as well.
What I'm saying is with all the training, fighting, etc, someone like Goku his physical conditioning is going to be above average human levels.
Not Universe breaking levels but far enough to place him above someone like Mr. Satan on his best day.
History shows that Saiyans among characters like Yamcha, Krillin, Tein, Master Roshi, etc.
Were all above top normal human athletes just by training their bodies to handle & manipulate Ki.quote Battle Power GuideFirst Appearance: 10
He already has twice the power of an ordinary person. What’s more, his body is tough enough to repel a gun bullet.quote Saiyan History 101Anyway, moving on a bit, we get a little more information on the Saiyans from Kaio in chapter 21. As Goku is struggling with the high gravity on Kaio’s planet, which is ten times the Earth’s, Kaio notes that “the planet where the Saiyans were had about the same gravity as here…They toughened up their bodies there…” In light of some of the later material that depict the Saiyans as invaders to Planet Vegeta, it’s interesting that Kaio refers to Planet Vegeta not as the Saiyan homeworld but simply the planet where they were. Perhaps Toriyama had some inkling of that back story at this point?quote Saiyan History 1016. Son Goku [DRA#GOK]Planet Plant is a difficult planet to live on, as its gravity is unusually strong. However, two races live here. The majority of the inhabitants of Planet Plant are Tsufruians. Their bodies are small, but knowledge-wise they have a comparatively advanced culture and civilization. The other race has an unusually small population, but their bodies are large and strong. They are a primitive, warlike race called the Saiyans. Their biggest distinguishing characteristic is that they have tails, and every one of them seems to be a warrior.
[Picture of Tsufruians, with scouter and blaster gun, labeled “Tsufruian”. We see a colored version of this guy in DBZ episode 20 when Kaio introduces the Tsufruians] Due to the heavy gravity, they are about half as big as the Saiyans.
[arrow pointing to scouter on Tsufruian's head] This scouter, for instance, and other such things were originally Tsufruian inventions.
[picture of three caveman-like Saiyans, all three of which ended up appearing in Kaio’s flashback] The Saiyans of long ago
[picture of the Saiyans’ rocky housing] The housing area that the ancient Saiyans lived in (perhaps more varied shapes might be good?)
Chapter: 1, P12.6
Context: After being shot by Bulma and surviving
Goku: “Moron! You think I’d die from just that?!! My body is forged like stainless steel!!”
Chapter: 1, P15.1
Goku: “So this is a car, huh?! I’ve heard about them in stories. Hm-----mm, hm----mm, it’s incredible, but weak.”
Chapter: 1, P15.4
Bulma: “You’re really strong for a shrimp, aren’t you?”
Goku: “Hehe--, gramps toughened me up!”
Chapter: 6, P7.1-4
Oolong: “Well then, how about you? Are you strong? Eh?”
Goku: “I’m strong! Gramps taught me kung-fu, after all.”
Oolong: “W-well, you’re pretty confident, aren’t you? In that case, can you break these 3 bricks with your bare hands?”
Goku: “Bricks? I can break these with one finger!”
Chapter: 8, P6.1
Context: after Goku beats up on Yamcha
Oolong: “In-incredible! He really is strong!”
Chapter: 8, P7.1
Yamcha: “Looks like my first challenge in a long time…”
Chapter: 8, P12.3
Context: after Goku hits Yamcha with the Janken
Goku: “It’s no use. I’m hungry, so I couldn’t put any power behind that at all…”
Chapter: 10, P9.4-5
Yamcha: “Hahhahhaha! Do you want to get beat down with my Roga-FuFu-Ken again?”
Goku: “Yesterday I was hungry! Now I’ve got a full stomach!”
Chapter: 10, P12.3
Context: after Goku knocks Yamcha's tooth out.
Yamcha: “Da-damn it…that brat’s really good…”
2. Kame-sennin’s training principles [TRA#TPR]
Chapter: 29, P3.4
Kame-sennin: “Searching for something might not seem like much, but it requires considerable willpower and concentration. To top it off, in this case it will require stamina too.”
Chapter: 31, P14.4-5
Kame-sennin: “Starting tomorrow, for the next few months you’ll do all the same training as today…While wearing these 20 kg shells on your back! See why I’m called Kame-sennin?”
Chapter: 32, P7.1-3
Kame-sennin: “I have practically nothing to teach you that could be called ‘kenpou’. [ ] All the basics of the Kame-sen School of martial arts has been included in the training which you’ve been doing every day these 7 months. It seems you haven’t realized it, but your eyes, fists, legs, your entire body, and even your mind have been toughened up. ‘Kenpou’ is nothing more than putting that into practice. You don’t strive in the martial arts to win, but rather to not lose to yourself. For that purpose, go study kenpou on your own, thinking on your own how to utilize the basics which you have learned.”
Chapter: 28, P6.5
Kuririn: “I’ll run first. I’ll show you legs good enough to even enter the Olympics.”
Chapter: 28, P8.1-2
Context: after running 100 meters
Kame-sennin: “Incredible! 10.4 seconds! That’s really something!”
Kuririn: “Oh, 10.4 huh? My personal best is 10.1 though.”
Chapter: 28, P12.1
Kame-sennin: “Hm—mm…that’s absurdly fast…You two are both really something. However, that’s entirely from a human level. In order to become a complete martial artist, you must overcome this wall called ‘human’. This is hard to do…”
Chapter: 28, P14.5
Context: as Lunch chases Kuririn with a butcher knife
Kame-sennin: “Mumu…! Kuririn’s drawn pretty close to the human wall…!”
Chapter: 28, P13.3
Context: after everyone runs 100 meters
Kame-sennin: “You guys are young, so depending on your training you may even be able to break 5 seconds.”
Chapter: 29, P10.3
Context: after Kuririn knocks out a sabertooth tiger.
Kuririn: “Th…that was close…!”
Chapter: 32, P2.3-4
Narrator: “Before they knew it, the two somehow became able to easily handle that harsh training.”
Kame-sennin: “Hmm…This is even better than I expected…”
Chapter: 34, P4.1
Context: 1 month before the tournament
Kuririn: “We’ve become able to move this rock!”
Chapter: 32, P5.3
Context: after Goku moves the super-big rock
Kuririn: “Now it’s my turn! Though I can’t move it as far as Goku.”
Chapter: 32, P6.4
Kame-sennin: “I was joking when I told them to move that rock…what kind of guys are these?...”
Chapter: 32, P9.4
Context: after removing their weighted shells
Kuririn: “Huh!?”
Goku: “My body’s gotten light! I can’t feel my own weight at all!”
What are the requirements for becoming strong?
Based on all the actual official evidence given.[/size]
I want you to determine which you think is the most physically superior character.
Base Goku little to no Ki, unconscious, falls & survives re-entry from low orbit.
Vegeta in Base without powering up catches him.
Okay Here's why I basically believe SuperSaiyan is a times 50 multiplier, & how I understand it.
Also how fixed transformation multipliers, SuperSaiyan Grades works with PowerLevels.
PowerLevels & Multipliers.
PowerLevels & multipliers are two separate things.
PowerLevels are the numbers seen by a scouter.
Now no matter what the PowerLevel is, it gets multiplied by whatever the set transformation multiplier is.
Like if Vegeta has a Base PowerLevel of 20,000,000,000
SuperSaiyan multiplies it by 50 & it's 1,000,000,000,000quoteFreeza 50%: 60 million
Freeza 100%: 120 million
After reaching his final form, Freeza overwhelms Goku with only half of his true capabilities. However, he unleashes his full power after the appearance of the Super Saiyan.
Note: This puts 50% Freeza as twice as strong as Goku using the Kaiō-Ken x10, and equal to Goku with Kaiō-Ken x20. Goku says in the manga that his Kaiō-Ken x20 attack hardly damaged Freeza.
Daizenshuu 7′s battle powers for both Freeza’s full power and Super Saiyan Goku are commonly said to be only 12 and 15 million, respectively, while normal Goku is given as 300,000 and Freeza at 50% as 6 million. This misconception most likely traces back to the Ultimate DBZ Information Site, a very influential English Dragon Ball fan site in the 1990s that was run by Greg Werner. On the “Little Known Dragon Ball Z Facts” page, item 26 provides a list of all battle powers from the manga or daizenshuu, and it gives these numbers for Goku and Freeza.
Werner prided himself on creating all of his site’s content, and much of his site consisted of things he took from Daizenshuu 7, so it is unlikely that he relied on someone else to make his list. Countless other fan sites relied on Werner’s site for information (and often took his content verbatim), so this mistranslation spread throughout the English-speaking Dragon Ball fan community. In particular, the popular site Planet Namek also used 12 and 15 million in their power levels list, color-coding them as being from the daizenshuu. It is possible that “SkullMac”, the individual responsible for maintaining Planet Namek′s power list, made the same translation mistake as Werner, but it is more likely that he relied upon Werner’s site for these numbers.
At any rate, how would someone mistranslate these numbers? This is the way those battle powers are written in Daizenshuu 7:
Goku: 300万
Super Saiyan Goku: 1億5000万
Freeza 50%: 6000万
Freeza 100%: 1 億2000万
“万” (man) is the kanji for 10 thousand, while “億” (oku) represents 100 million. If you do the math, “300 man” is 3 million and “1 oku, 5 thousand man” is 150 million. It is easy to see how someone not too experienced with the Japanese number system could make a mistake converting them, especially since all the previous battle powers in this section of Daizenshuu 7 are written purely in Arabic numerals, with no kanji or mathematical conversion required.
Super Saiyan: 150 million
The warrior of legend, the Super Saiyan, finally awakens. In addition to having battle power 50 times that of his normal state, he now overwhelms even Freeza.
Note: Since Goku was unable to beat Freeza with Kaiō-Ken x20 while Freeza was only using half his power but was then finally able to defeat Freeza as a Super Saiyan, we can infer that Goku as a Super Saiyan must be over 40 times as powerful as he is normally.
This rule of Super Saiyan yielding a 50-fold increase in power is also mentioned in Daizenshuu 7′s glossary entry on Super Saiyan, and in its attack dictionary entry for Super Saiyan as well. It also turns up in the first volume of the Dragon Ball GT Perfect Files (where it is said to be “according to one theory”), Dragon Ball: Landmark, and the Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume, which simply reprints Daizenshuu 7′s battle power list. In the entry for “Battle Power” in Daizenshuu 7′s terms glossary, Super Saiyan Goku’s battle power is given as “over 150 million”.
Also in the Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume, Toriyama revealed in an interview that he thought a multiplier of 50 was rather large, and that he had originally drawn it with the sense of being a 10-fold increase in what Goku had been “up until then”. It is unclear how this would put Super Saiyan in relation to Goku’s regular use of Kaiō-Ken x10 to gain a 10-fold increase in power, and the “up until then” bit muddies things further.
Since Goku had already multiplied his power 10 and 20 times with the Kaiō-Ken as he fought Freeza, did Toriyama mean that he thought of Super Saiyan as being 10 times stronger than that, meaning it would make Goku overall 100 or 200 times stronger than he normally was?
If so, it is hard to make sense of Toriyama saying that a 50-fold increase is too large. If Toriyama meant that it only made Goku 10 times stronger than he was without using Kaiō-Ken, then Super Saiyan Goku is only half as strong as he was when using the Kaiō-Ken x20, at which point he was unable to significantly harm Freeza. Perhaps the answer is that Toriyama is being his usual forgetful self, since he himself admits in the same interview to have forgotten much of Dragon Ball′s story himself, and that we should not take these numbers he throws out too seriously.
That's why the statement made by LordBerus makes sense.
Power increases, Zenkai scaling, after Namek were small for Saiyans in Base.
So Transformations, & Fusions were introduced.
[quote]Note: The ending paragraph seems to mostly be a way of explaining why no battle powers are available after the battle with Freeza, saying that past this point battle powers become simply immeasurable. The way the note about near-death power-ups becoming “small” is phrased in Japanese (sukunakunatta), it could either mean that they became small, infrequent, or simply insufficient.
150 million
This is the reason why I never see multipliers as changing, & why I've always seen them as set.
Raising the Transformation multiplier & or the Based PowerLevel I see as completely pointless when a fixed multiplier & an higher arbitrary Base PowerLevels would accomplish the same task.
An Arbitrary Base PowerLevel could do as long as it doesn't come close to hitting 100Million.
That way it doesn't contradict the statement by Beerus.saying Frieza > Base Saiyans.
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